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People are becoming what we now refer to as AI vampires. La gente se está convirtiendo en lo que llamamos vampiros de IA. They've got these huge bags under their eyes. Tienen estas enormes ojeras. They're completely exhausted, but they're like euphoric. Están completamente agotados, pero eufóricos. They're thrilled. Están encantados. We're entering a golden age, which is AI is going to be a superpower that everybody on the planet's going to have access to. Estamos entrando en una era dorada: la IA va a ser un superpoder al que todo el mundo en el planeta va a tener acceso. It's like the most dramatic increase in programmer productivity in like ever. Es el aumento más dramático en productividad de programadores de todos los tiempos. Twitter proved it, right? Twitter lo demostró, ¿verdad? Cutting 70% and then it's running better or as good as it was before. Recortar el 70% y aun así funciona igual de bien o mejor que antes. I generally don't wish I could go back in time and do things over again, but it would be really really fun right now to be 18 or 20 or 22 and to have this capability and figure out what I could do with it. Generalmente no desearía poder retroceder en el tiempo, pero sería increíblemente divertido tener 18, 20 o 22 años ahora mismo y tener esta capacidad y descubrir qué podría hacer con ella. We are going to see super producers the likes of which we've never seen in the world. Vamos a ver superproductores como nunca antes hemos visto en el mundo. There's news about it. Hay noticias al respecto. UFOs. OVNIs. What is clear is the government at certain times has hid certain materials. Lo que está claro es que el gobierno en ciertos momentos ha ocultado ciertos materiales. Why would they do that if there's nothing to really worry about? ¿Por qué harían eso si no hay nada de qué preocuparse realmente? Two things are pretty clear at this point. Dos cosas están bastante claras en este punto. One is that Una es que Mark, welcome to monitoring the situation. Marc, bienvenido a Monitoring the Situation. Eric, it is great to be back. Erik, es genial estar de vuelta. So, there's a lot to monitor today. Hay mucho que monitorear hoy. Uh I want to start first start with something that just happened um which is the uh anthropic uh blackmailing incident. Quiero empezar con algo que acaba de ocurrir: el incidente del chantaje de Anthropic. And I I first want to tell a brief story which is uh my uh friend Joe Hudson has this concept called the golden algorithm. Primero quiero contar una breve historia: mi amigo Joe Hudson tiene este concepto llamado el algoritmo dorado. And the golden algorithm is states that um whatever you're scared about you bring it about in exactly the way you're scared about it. El algoritmo dorado dice que aquello que temes lo provocas exactamente de la manera que temías. So if you're scared about getting abandoned you'll be super insecure and then you'll people will abandon you because you're so insecure. Si tienes miedo de ser abandonado, serás tan inseguro que la gente te abandonará por tu inseguridad. Uh this is an example of a literal golden algorithm where people have been so scared that AI is going to be evil and have written about all the ways in which it's evil and in fact maybe it's informed um informed something. Este es un ejemplo literal del algoritmo dorado: la gente tuvo tanto miedo de que la IA fuera malvada, escribió sobre todas las formas en que podría serlo, y quizás eso informó algo. What's happening there or what do we find uh interesting? ¿Qué está pasando ahí o qué encontramos interesante? I I haven't studied this one in detail. No he estudiado este caso en detalle. Um uh I I've been monitoring other situations but however um uh I mean just what I saw so far He estado monitoreando otras situaciones, pero lo que vi hasta ahora... I think I just saw anthropics thread. Creo que solo vi el hilo de Anthropic. I haven't I haven't I haven't read the underlying material yet, but Anthropic threads have said they trace the they trace some blackmail behavior to literally to the to the AI doomer literature. No he leído el material subyacente todavía, pero los hilos de Anthropic dicen que rastrearon cierto comportamiento de chantaje literalmente hasta la literatura doomer sobre IA. Yeah. Sí. That they [laughter] that it was in the training data. Que estaba en los datos de entrenamiento. So there there are all these there are all these there are all these you know scenarios of like you know the terminate you know all the rogue AI gone wrong that the that the AI doomer has been writing about for 20 years and and literally anthropic of course which is of course the company is like you know half doomer u apparently you know basically you know essentially said that their own their own their own movement's literature is the thing that's causing the behavior that they say they they they don't want. Hay todos estos escenarios de IA rebelde que los doomers de IA llevan 20 años escribiendo, y Anthropic, que es básicamente una empresa a medias doomer, básicamente dijo que la literatura de su propio movimiento es lo que está causando el comportamiento que dicen no querer. So it is a fairly um incredible Es bastante increíble. Yes. Sí. Yes it is. Sí, lo es. Yes. Sí. Oh, I mean like look if you didn't if you don't want to build the killer AI, you know, step one would be don't build the Si no quieres construir la IA asesina, el primer paso sería no construirla... [laughter] [risas] It's like hm and then you know step two is like don't train it on all the data that says it's supposed to, you know, the literature that your movement wrote that says it's supposed to be a killer AI. Y el segundo paso sería no entrenarla con toda la literatura que dice que se supone que debe ser una IA asesina. So I, you know, Yeah. Sí. I don't know. No sé. Yeah. Sí. It's like your it's like your your your golden algorithm coupled coupled with like the snake eating his tail. Es como tu algoritmo dorado combinado con la serpiente mordiéndose la cola. Um coupled with, you know, I don't even know. Combinado con, no sé... Like the whole thing is so bananas. Todo el asunto es una locura total. Yeah. Sí. Yeah. Sí. the um Lo... I mean you know I can't resist you know if I could if I can if I can act out memes it's the scream meme right No puedo resistirlo: si puedo representar memes, es el meme del grito. which is you know the calls coming from inside the house. La llamada viene de dentro de la casa. Yeah. Sí. Yeah. Sí. Exactly. Exacto. The um speaking of other situations another thing you've been talking about recently is um is the concept of suicidal empathy and and and Matt Kramer had a good quote which is if the empathy you have doesn't make you more forgiving more accepting of other people's spiritual sovereignty or more understanding of people who don't want to think or live the same way you do you don't have empathy. Hablando de otras situaciones, algo de lo que has estado hablando recientemente es el concepto de empatía suicida. Matt Kramer dijo algo bueno: si la empatía que tienes no te hace más comprensivo, más aceptante de la soberanía espiritual de otros, o más tolerante con quienes piensan distinto, no tienes empatía. you have empathy TM. Tienes empatía™. Why have you been thinking about this this this concept? ¿Por qué has estado pensando en este concepto? Yeah, so there's this really brilliant Hay este tipo brillante... there's this really brilliant guy Hay este tipo realmente brillante... God gad exactly pronouncing Gatsad. Gatsad, pronunciándolo más o menos así. Um and um and you know very brilliant guy and it's obviously lots of YouTube videos and books and so forth and really brilliant guy. Un tipo muy brillante, con muchos videos de YouTube y libros, realmente brillante. He's got this new book coming out on so-called what he calls suicidal empathy and you know look it's a you know there's a there's a sort of political loading to it which you know we don't need to spend a lot of time on Tiene este nuevo libro sobre lo que llama empatía suicida. Hay una carga política en el término que no necesitamos analizar demasiado. but um you know it's sort of this idea that there are kind of these social justice Pero es la idea de que hay ciertos movimientos de reforma social you know kind of social reform movements you know kind of through time that that have this characteristic of you know they you know they they they claim to be causing positive change you know in some direction and then it turns out they have you know sort of severe you know sort of negative consequences. que a lo largo del tiempo dicen causar cambios positivos, pero resultan tener consecuencias muy negativas. um that the the great Thomas Soul El gran Thomas Sowell um you know has you know basically spent 50 years writing books about this um and [laughter] and by the way no nobody nobody listened básicamente ha pasado 50 años escribiendo libros sobre esto. Y nadie escuchó. um and then in the last decade we've been through you know wave after wave of this kind of social activism that kind of you know results in like I mean it's it's all the stuff right En la última década hemos vivido ola tras ola de este tipo de activismo social que resulta en... it's just you know all these like you know crime policy reform defund the police things and it causes these massive crime waves and then of course low-inccome and minority people get hit hardest by that and you know all the all all these other all these other crazy things. toda esta reforma de la política criminal, el movimiento de desfundar la policía, que provoca grandes oleadas de crimen, y los más afectados son las personas de bajos ingresos y las minorías. Um, and so he says, you know, he says the characteristic of kind of that kind of social reform movement is is characterized by what he calls suicidal empathy. Él dice que la característica de ese tipo de movimiento de reforma social es lo que llama empatía suicida. Um, and the and the idea be being basically it's it's sort of driven by a pathological, you know, take it backwards, a pathological form of empathy on the one hand. La idea básicamente es que está impulsado por una forma patológica de empatía por un lado. Um, which is, you know, it's sort of a deep desire to be nice. Es un profundo deseo de ser amable. Um, and empathetic um, you know, but but coupled with like basically you know, a sort of self-destructiveness, you know, either a willingness to really cause damage to the people you claim to be speaking for or by the way to cause damage to yourself kind of in that process. Y empático, pero combinado con una autodestructividad, ya sea la disposición a dañar a las personas por quienes dicen hablar, o a hacerse daño ellos mismos en ese proceso. And and it's the kind of thing where you know if you've you know you know if you've lived through you know like everybody who you know everybody in San Francisco's lived through this for the last decade and seen the consequences of these movements. Y es algo que todos los que han vivido en San Francisco la última década han visto con sus consecuencias. I [clears throat] you know the San Francisco version of this is like the the quote harm reduction movement you know that ended up basically handing out you know free drug you know paraphernia and you know in some cases actually just free drugs to you know people who are just literally dying in the street from drug addiction. La versión de San Francisco es el llamado movimiento de reducción de daños que terminó básicamente repartiendo parafernalia de drogas y en algunos casos drogas gratis a personas que literalmente morían en la calle por adicción. Right. Claro. So so so you just look at it and you're like well yeah that that you know they they claim to be activists they claim to be reformers. Simplemente lo ves y piensas: se dicen activistas, se dicen reformadores. they claim to care about these people and yet they're killing them or or um and then killing the city um and causing innocent people to get get harmed. Dicen preocuparse por estas personas y sin embargo las están matando, y están matando la ciudad, y causando daño a personas inocentes. It's like okay that you know you know that that that you know they seem so actively like that they're doing it out of some sense of compassion that this must be suicidal empathy. Parece que lo hacen por compasión, así que tiene que ser empatía suicida. Um the problem [laughter] with it is and I think that the problem is the theory is sort of easily falsifiable or or maybe let's lets the reformers off the hook which is they certainly don't show empathy to their enemies, right? El problema con la teoría es que quizás les exculpa demasiado, porque ciertamente no muestran empatía hacia sus enemigos. And so if they're like if they're like all empathetic, you would think that they would be less aggro uh when it comes to destroying their ideological opponents, you know, who they act, you know, they take great delight in trying to wreck. Si fueran completamente empáticos, pensarías que serían menos agresivos destruyendo a sus oponentes ideológicos, en cuya destrucción parecen deleitarse. Um number one, on the one hand, and then and then number two is they they use the you know, the classic reformer move is to use use these movements to gain to gain power and status and money for themselves. Y además, el movimiento clásico de los reformadores es usar estos movimientos para ganar poder, estatus y dinero para ellos mismos. And you know, again, San Francisco's a case study of this where you have all these, you know, nonprofits that, you know, recall this damage on the city and yet, you know, basically get like lavishly funded, you know, including, by the way, by the city government, by the state government. San Francisco es un caso de estudio: estas ONGs que causan este daño a la ciudad reciben financiación generosa, incluyendo del gobierno municipal y estatal. Um, and so it's just like, okay, well, like just like they're not, if you just like spend two seconds thinking about it, like it, you know, they're neither empathetic nor nor are they suicidal, right? Si piensas dos segundos en ello, no son ni empáticos ni suicidas. Right? ¿Verdad? Rather quite the opposite. Más bien todo lo contrario. They're hateful and they're and they're and they're and they're greedy. Son odiosos y son codiciosos. You know, they're sort of self- aggrandizing um and and gathering power and resources for themselves. Se están engrandeciendo y acumulando poder y recursos para ellos mismos. Um, and so I just I just think it it it lets it lets the phenomenon off the hook, you know, it's a little bit like,"Oh, Eric, what's your biggest flaw?" Creo que la teoría los absuelve un poco. Es como: "Erik, ¿cuál es tu mayor defecto?" You know,"Oh, I'm too nice." "Soy demasiado bueno." Yeah. Sí. Yeah. Sí. I care too much. Me importa demasiado. Right. Claro. Exactly. Exacto. It's like, yeah, don't Like, I I Sí, no... By the way, Eric, I don't know. Erik, no sé. I don't know what your biggest flaw is. No sé cuál es tu mayor defecto. Like, it's definitely like, it's definitely not that because that's also definitely not my flaw. Definitivamente no es eso, porque tampoco es mi defecto. Like, I I guarantee I have other things wrong with me that are like way more wrong than Garantizo que tengo otras cosas mal que son mucho peores que eso. Yeah. Sí. Um, and so I I I just I Y entonces yo...